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Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 10:02:00 - [1] U dont feel that there is a little bit inbalance by the Moros???? I know gallente is a drone race. if a dread can have pos killing high damage weapons and use this weapons agains smaller ships with right fitting is ok. but if he can have additionaly 1000+ dps just from drones additionally it feels a bit overpowered. Damn in this ship the ogre II's have over 220 DPS with maxed skills, and fighters(which are the primary weapon of a carrier) have max 125 on a bonused NYX?????????? Such things need to be nerfed not the GSC's and other bull***t what CPP makes!!!!
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 10:47:00 - [2] Sorry i need to disagree. The moros is a damn good ship, even without drones is on equal with othe dreads. And additionaly have 1000+ DPS as defense, is too big advantage. If very needed should get +10% as every other ship to drone damage
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 11:21:00 - [3] Edited by: Damned Force on 14/06/2007 11:20:26 Originally by: Trass Originally by: Damned Force is too big advantage Yes yes, and missiles should use cap, propulsion upgrades mods should be removed, amarr lasers should eat more pg, and all minmatar pilots should be removed ;P That was the mostly noobish comment i ever heard CPP pls boost iq of Trass
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 12:47:00 - [4] Originally by: 0mega Why is 1000dps with a range under 50km too big? The ship is a 2bn ISK target that can be held down by a couple of frigates. If its in siege mode you can kite out of drone control range and the Moros can't escape, as well as taking around a minute to lock conventional ships. If its not seiged it can be sensor damped and made useless. Ogre IIs cannot follow people all over a system like fighters, nor can more than 5 be used at once. All of this is on a ship that has to risk itself to deploy that DPS, whereas the Nyx can move about freely. The Moros is meant as a short-range capital defense platform, taking down small targets such as fighter drones threatening allied capitals. In this situation it is very well balanced. I get the impression you're all ruffled after being ganked by a pirate Moros in low-sec, which isn't the intended purpose but still easily countered. i dont sad that 1000+ dps under 50km is too big, i sad is to bit to other 2bn ship damages, which can put out max 300dps. So u have 1 ship in the whole class, which have in shrt range almost 4x so much damage as the others. And we dont speak just about the damage. I think everyone know that to kill an ogre II which get bonus from a domi is not so easy, not hard, but not so easy. u need some cycles from SB to kill. and this drone get +50% hitpoint in the domi. In the moros the same drone would get not just 250% bonus to damage, but to hitpoint too!!!!!!! And i see nothing wrong even with this, if the other dreads would get the same defence or attack capability. But let see the ships on max skills: Moros = +25% damage and +250% drone damage and hitpoint Phoenix = +25% rof and +25% kin damage(crappy, who the f**k made this damage for caldaris?) Revelation = +25% rof and -50% cap needed for launchers(crappy, who teh ..... for amarr. u should better fix they cap usage) Naglfar = +25 rof to launchers and +37,5 rof to projectiles and have +1 high slot(+1 weapon) If u have something in brain u should see that the amarr and caldari are much worst than the other 2 races, and the moros because this huge additional damage is much much better than any other!!!
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 14:51:00 - [5] Originally by: 0mega Originally by: Damned Force i dont sad that 1000+ dps under 50km is too big, i sad is to bit to other 2bn ship damages, which can put out max 300dps. Do you even know what siege mode does? Yes i know. i have a Phoenix and a Moros too on 2 different chars
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 15:04:00 - [6] I have a carrier too, but i dont want to take down a dread, because carriers are not for killing dreads, they have not enough dps. But as i see u dont fly dreads, or u fly just 1 race. Because yes, the moros have no tracking in siege, and citadels are so slow they do the same damage to ships as the moros in siege mode. And u right the Dreads bigest enemy is NOS, but here comes the other thing again, the moros can fight nossing smaller ships with the drones and other ships cant. I know, i use it :)
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:13:00 - [7] Originally by: LOUD NOISES Originally by: Sokratesz He is right though. I've flown the moros a few times in PVPOS and PVP and its way overpowered. +10% per level sounds more like it. Seeing 5 ogre IIs rip apart a fully T2 tanked megathron in less then a minute seconds is just WRONG. vs a Phoenix which can alpha the megathron w/ its torps if it's webbed or moving slow. If webbed, and painted, than can the Moros cause even more alpha than the Phoenix, and additionaly have the drones :) And the Moros dont even need to offer tank for painter and webber.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Sokratesz That moros was me, solo, out of siege, using drones only, with faction web/scram/3x sensorbooster. Phoenix needs support to do that. Exactly and thats why is overpowered. The others posting here just fly Moros or even cant fly any dread, but i fly moros and phoenix too. so i know is overpowered, and i say this even if possible loose this advantage, because simply not ok so.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 05:19:00 - [9] Yes, the Naghflar bonus is just for the primary weapons, and so can't be taken as 2 bonuses. U see now the moros is badly overpowered.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:20:00 - [10] Dont nerf the moros if u can balance the other dreads tp the level of moros
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:31:00 - [11] The unbalance is that the damage output of the moros is around the damage of other dreads, but have additionally huge damage from drones. How huge is this damage??? Imagine a normal carrier. The main weapons of a carrier are the feighters(drones). With max carrier skills, and max drone skills and all highs used for DCU's a carrier can use 15 feighters. This 15 feighters make 1500 dps.(Dont forget, from a primary weapon of a capital, with maxed skills and fitted just for this damage) The Moros with maxed skills can launch 5 drones. This 5(let say OGRE II's) can do a little bit more than 1100 dps. So a maxed skill primary weapon can do in extreme case 1500 dps(where the price for a fighter is around 19m and is much easier to kill) and the maxed skill NOT PRIMARY weapon on the moros can put out 1100 dps with 5 t2 drones(which have additional huge hitpoint and are far cheaper). And if your feighters are popped(this 15) u cant have a big backup, max 5 units, where the moros can have a lot of t2 ogres in the dronebay.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Zikka Originally by: Chronus26 The Moros actually has poor DPS without drones. Ion Siege Blaster cannons have too poor a range to be useful for POS sieges, so you by default need to use Dual 1000mm Railguns which pretty much have the poorest DPS from a Capital weapon. The drones dont really make up for that. Heres a thought for ya, shoot its drones! It can only carry 4 waves of Heavies... I dont really see this 'imbalance' you're talkign about... It gets a 250% bonus to both HP AND DAMAGE. So that means that your 5 ogre 2s are in fact THIRTY ogre 2s both in terms of damage you need to do and damage taken from them. But it's worse than that - because while I can one or two volley a dominix's heavy drones using precision missiles vs a Moros's drones that will barely dent their shields, so he just recalls them and launches more. Even if you do kill them he has drone bay sufficient to store a huge number of replacements. I agree with the others, the bonus should be changed to 20% or possibly even changed to 30% on damage only with no boost to hp. er fit smat bomb bye bye drones U tried to kill with SB's an ogre II with +250% hp bonus??
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:13:00 - [13] Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :)
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Damned Force Edited by: Damned Force on 15/06/2007 12:16:31 Just killing fighters is much easier as to kill Ogre II's with +250% hitpoint :) And they cost 19m and u have no 3 full sets i can field 2 wings of fighters on a carrier i can field 2 and half wing on a mother ship please stop being a general troll how u can fit 2 wings into the carrier? carrier can launch max 15 figters which doing 1500dps(on avarge, not counting the damage bonus for thanatos) how the hell u can put 30 fighters into a carrier which have max 100k m3 drone bay and 1 fighter is 5k m3. by me is that max 20 fighter. In the mothership u can launch max 25 fighters(sure they doo than more damage - 2500 dps). The mothership have 250k m3 dronebay max which means 50 figthers(and thats on the NYX with extra big drone bay)
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:45:00 - [15] Yes, but if u readed the whole thread u can see that we talked about max. if u launch just 10-12 than u have 1000-1200dps almost the same as the moros from drones, just u can lauch 2 time from a carrier and the moros can launch 4. and if the moros get drones popped, still have weapons what a carrier dont have, and if he lost the drones is much less money. I just say, that is not really the most ballanced thing that a dread can put out comparable damage with drones as a carrier
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Damned Force Yes, but if u readed the whole thread u can see that we talked about max. if u launch just 10-12 than u have 1000-1200dps almost the same as the moros from drones, just u can lauch 2 time from a carrier and the moros can launch 4. and if the moros get drones popped, still have weapons what a carrier dont have, and if he lost the drones is much less money. I just say, that is not really the most ballanced thing that a dread can put out comparable damage with drones as a carrier you'r bit silly now a combat fitted carrier is lunching 9-11 fighters. it wil have smart bombs and capital remotes fitted any one putting drones on a combat fitted carrier wil lose them so stupidly quick it wont realy matter U dont understood what i ment. Sorry, my english is a bit poor :(

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